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More specific articles (and less, sometimes) / WHAT TO DO according to me
There should be articles about:
- Slayers (general franchise)
- Slayers (novels)
- Slayer (manga)
- Slayers (anime series)
The movies and OAVs have all articles each, but series are just redirects to "list of media".
Maybe even each anime series (and/or the manga series by the different authors) separately? I don't know.
Also articles about Rui Araizumi (illustrations in novels and artbooks) and Shoko Yoshinaka & Tommy Ohtsuka (Slayers mangakas).
Just look at this:
{{Slayers}}
Movies, OAVs, games, even CD-Dramas that have no articles (! I'm going to remove them now) listed, but everything else in one short link "Media". This is silly. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 10:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Also: create List of Slayers minor characters for a minor characters like ValGaav (which I just asked to delete) and such and re-do the box (I'm working on this right now, but without new articles it will be just cosmetic). --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 12:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, I think Lord of Nightmares, Shabranigdo and Ceiphied should be converted into the List of Slayers deites (and the text cleaned up, too) and nothing will be lost. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 13:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose creating multiple articles on everything. Violates WP:MOS-AM and no actual valid reason given for splitting. We do not make single articles for every adaptation or media in a series. Movies should only have their own articles if they are significantly notable to have a full film article. If those articles have only plot and are not significantly different, they should be merged back here. Ditto the OVAs, which should be included in the episode list with a prose section here. A minor character list is unnecessary. A List of Slayers characters should be created, however, but that should only include major and supporting characters. 1-3 episode/chapter characters should not be included at all, except as relevant in other people's sections. Lord of Nightmares, Shabranigdo and Ceiphied should also be merged into the main character list, along with any other character for whom notability can't be established. This whole article does need a massive overhaul to flesh out the information on the various other media releases, and to remove the extremely amount of plot details with List of Slayers media needing to merged back here (such a wholescale section split is inappropriate). For the suggestions on creating articles for the people involved, that should only be done if they can meet WP:BIO. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with Collectonian. There is no need for a page about the manga, novels, and anime series unless they stand out significantly and have enough third-party information. Articles for the mangaka and artists can be created as well. If you do need help with any merges, I'll be glad to help. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 14:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Merge Discussion
I've tagged a few of the Slayers articles for merging back here. Below are sections for each one tagged with my reason for suggesting the merge. Thoughts on each? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
List of Slayers media
The anime and manga project agreed by consensus that a wholescale media list was not appropriate and was generally harmful to the main article. Additionally, with the episodes now split out into their own page, this media list does not have that much content. What is there can easily be merged back here, and later, if necessary, splits of the manga and/or novel lists per the Anime and Manga Manual of Style can be considered. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Absolutely, something's gonna to be done with this. (Like moving here and making episode list for anime.) --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'd say merge, but that would just be stating the obvious (oops, too late...). —Dinoguy1000 18:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Slayers Royal
One of the two Slayers games that has only a stub for an article. Its whole paragraph can pretty much be copied here with no lose of info. It lacks conception/creation and reception information that I do not believe is likely to be available to be added. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Merge, it can always be split back out at some later time if such information becomes available and independant notability can be established. —Dinoguy1000 18:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Slayers Wonderful
Similar to Slayers Royal, this video game article is only a stub. Its primarily game plot, and completely unsourced fan opinions of the game. Without reliably sourced reception information, it can not be considered notable and is best merged here. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, look what Dragonball got - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_video_games (each game separately, and dozens of them). Also, these games belong as much to Slayers, as, say PlayStation games. Plus, most of vg articles are stubs I think and nobody makes them just into lists really. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
No, look what Dragon Ball got - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_video_games (each game separately, and dozens of them). Also, these games are standalone products belong as much to Slayers, as, say PlayStation games category (or any other platform they're on). Plus, most of vg articles are stubs I think and nobody makes them just into lists really (like Sky Fox (arcade game) into "List of really old arcade games hardly anyone remembers" or whatever). --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Dragon Ball is still very much a work in progress - it also has a lot more than five minor games which is the only reason it has a list. The list was too long for the main. See also Tokyo Mew Mew (2 games), Rurouni Kenshin (2 games), and Blood+ three. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I'd leave these articles. There are tons and tons of vg stubs (some, frankly, forever) and nobody does anything for them (and righty so I think) - that is, unless they're anime-related? It's some kind of discrimination. RK: isn't it because no one wrote articles? The little what is written is really poor so I guess it's the case. ("The firstRurouni" etc) --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 17:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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- The existance of other VG game stubs isn't a good justification for keeping these. And yes, something is done about them. I've personally PRODed and AfDed several, and merged others into series. There is no discrimination in the anime/manga project being willing to take care of its own video game articles by merging them into a series article when it can never be more than a stub. The same is also done or some TV video games (see Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers for example). ANd no, Kenshin has quite a few folks working on it. There isn't a need for an article, hence it not having one. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 17:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Merge per my above comment. DB gets a game list because, as Collectonian said, it's had dozens of games made for it on pretty much any console you care to name. Slayers only has two (right? only two?), so a seperate list would be overkill. And saying that these two stubs should remain because of the vast quantity of other VG stubs is a fallacious argument. As another example, have a look at Carnivores (series), a series of games I am very deeply involved with (I've even been in contact with the developers). The current stub status, with four games on one article, is due to my own actions, carving out everything that couldn't be properly sourced (and a lot of WP:CRUFT, including much that I had written before) and dropping a split that I myself had proposed months ago. —Dinoguy1000 18:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't want a separate list, I want the separate articles. Slayers has at least five official games actually (these I know, maybe more), but only two have articles. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 18:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- As I said in the above discussion, the merges would be reversible. You would only have to find sufficient nontrivial, properly sourced material to demonstrate independant notability and allow for a better-than-stub article to be split, to avoid undue weight in this article. —Dinoguy1000 18:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Making a list of characters and doing something with the "list of media" and the template and all, great. Cool. Absolutely. But don't make me a saaaaaaad panda with the other stuff, as it was me who requested your help guys and really I don't want to regret it now. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- There's no reason for you to regret our help, unless you have a problem with our guidelines and the project consensus... —Dinoguy1000 18:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
How to improve (repair) the article
Gourry isn't THE main character like Lina. He's not in the movies (but one), OVAs, some of novels and manga (while Lina's there practically always). The current of the article form is NOT well done - "who is Lina' should be integrated into the overall "Story"-type section (which does not exist right now).
So please concentrate on improving the main article and the list of characters (which is very incomplete beyond the 1st TV series), instead of this games delete frenzy (which just makes me facepalm and sigh). This is really more important and more constructive. --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 18:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, making the entire group of articles better is appropriate. A plot section is needed, yes. And feel free to fix the character section to include SHORT summaries of the major characters, not just the main. I guessed from the descriptions, which obviously need complete rewriting if he is not seen in most of the series. And sorry, but yes, asking for project means we will work on ALL the articles and do appropriate work and suggestions per our guidelines and Wikipedia guidelines. As I have never seen nor read Slayers I can't do much more with the character list beyond starting it and tweaking the format. I can, however, work on the some of the main article overhaul and the "grunt" work, which includes the sometimes maligned idea of fixing the article structure, merging back (not deleting) inappropriate/unnecessary splits, etc. We don't just do pity stuff then let the articles, we actually try to improve them. Our goal is high quality articles per our guidelines and Wikipedia's guiding policies and guidelines, not just fan desires. It would be good to familiarize yourself with those as it might help you see where we are coming from in these discussions. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Slayers Revolution.
Anyone know when season 2 is due? Episode 13 made it pretty obvious that it wasn't over yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 08:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I think the site that announced Evolution-R said it's airing January 12, 2009. But I don't know Japanese so I could be wrong. Also, the section of the article mentioning Revolution being two separate 13-episode arcs should be edited to say that the second arc is separate and is the Evolution-R season, since I am pretty sure that is the case.Byakuya Truelight (talk) 09:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Hulu link?
With Slayers Season 1 on Hulu now, I added a link to the Hulu page for it. 72.74.26.106 (talk) 15:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
- And it has been removed. Hulu.com is not a valid WP:EL. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:30, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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