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I have made a lot of changes and additions to the list of lace types and I am open to suggestions to modify it further. My basis for putting the Point Ground Bobbin laces after the Continental is that the Point Ground laces were "simplifications" (if you can believe it) of Mechlin in particular. Very often, you have to see the mesh stitches to determine if a lace is Mechlin or Point Ground because the lacemakers and designers making Point Ground literally copied Mechlin designs. PattyD 05:58, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

This is great. The next step is to create the stubs for all of these! Most of the links, especially those that are also place-names need to be modified to go directly to the lace type, not the place, in those cases where a disambiguation page already exists we can an entry for the lace type. I'm going to get started on that! -- pcr^talk 06:40, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I like this organization better. Where would some of the contemporary laces, such as the artistic pieces currently made in Czechoslovakia, or Kortelaati's laces, fit? Do we need yet another category, or is there some way to categorize them within these categories? -- Julie E. 22:32, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Single Stitches are woven, knotted, looped or buttonholed. These four cover the vast majority of laces. As for the Czech laces and Kortehahti and the Swedish Guild (I've worked a couple) they are predominantly bobbin lace and fall under guipure, tape, Torchon or part laces. Their style is different, but their technique is not. As a matter of fact, I remember the day when I was looking at a picture of a piece of Honiton and came to the conclusion that it was essentially a tape lace (especially the degenerate designs called Slugs and Snails - eewwww! not very appealing!). I was shocked and amazed, but part laces ARE essentially tape forms. My, my, the lace world is getting smaller. The real point is that small differences in technique can appear to be much more significant than they really are. When you distinguish between the STYLE of a lace and the TECHNIQUE of a lace, the categories seem to stay more manageable.

On my way to the scanner to get some pictures going, after roughing out a template for the lace stubs.

Whaddya think? I always, always want to see a close enough picture to see the paths of the threads. So I think a picture box at the top of the form (probably half the width of the page). I also like a diagrammmatic layout of essential info (which, of course, we have to decide exactly what they are!)

Essential characteristics: Technique, Place, Time, Style, Fiber, Origins, ????

Which reminds me, we need stubs for general discussions of the principal techniques of lace. Chronologically ~ Lacis, Needle Lace, Bobbin Lace, Knit Lace, Crochet, Tatting

Crochet and Tatting are relatively young (19th Century). At first Crochet was the great imitator. Irish Crochet began as an interpretation of Gros Point de Venise, in sewing size thread and infinitely small hooks made from a sewing needle whose eye was cut to make a hook. Last week I went to see the Irish Crochet exhibit at Lacis in Berkeley, CA. Amazing. And they have (almost) everything in the open so you can get your nose an inch away. Heaven.

I have worked a piece of Crochet that is in imitation of Reticella (from Dillmont's Encyclopedia of Needlework). You really do have to look twice. It is really only in the 20th Century that Crochet found its own voice to sing with, using techniques and designs that are intrinsically rooted in the technical possibilites of Crochet.

Well, there I go again. PattyD 02:37, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Vibeke Ervo is drafting an article on freehand lace for us. Maybe it will be clear where it belongs once we see the article--but I think a lot of it is very Torchon-like, except that it is made without pins other than at the footsides. Which made me notice we're missing Torchon, and I'm not positive about where it belongs in this scheme--am I right that it should be under Continental? -- Julie E. 22:17, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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